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please help identify aspects of Indonesian coffee
Koffee Kosmo
I have roasted the Sumatra Organic Mandheling
And have to agree that is the pick of the bunch

It is best roasted to a light roast (American roast to City roast) and stopped and quickly cooled just before second crack starts

Mild chocolate flavour and very palatable

KK
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seedlings
I don't know what chicory tastes like. In my mind the flavor is something akin to really stale coffee, because I've heard people ask of bad coffee, "what, is this all chicory?"

What is the flavor of chicory?

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BoldJava
Chicory? I first had it when we moved to Alabama and went to a Friday nite football game and we got a coffee. I about spit it out. To me, it tastes like a sweet, roasted herbal-root taste.

You will find it wherever the French had influence. Napolean wanted to have the French empire completely independent from all other nations. Chicory was to wean France from coffee.

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EddieDove
The coffee and chicory that is found around here is awful.

Once upon a time I bought some fresh chicory from Sweet Maria's, which was quite different; not really my thing, but it wasn't too bad.
Respectfully,

Eddie Dove

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Koffee Kosmo
I just purchased 5 kg (2.5pound) of Sumatra Blue Lintong
Thats one amongst a larger mixed bean origin order of 25 kg (12.5 pounds) today

Never had it before but have had good reports about it
This is the description

Sumatra Blue Lintong - Wet hulled, well processed and nearly translucent in appearance as a green bean. When roasted, think BIG. Huge body with bold over the top flavours. If you like delicate mild coffees then this one is certainly not for you. Great as a single origin or use it to add "baseball bat" punch to one of your blends.

P.S Chicory is foul :yuck:

If one wants to increase the flavour of coffee
I use this little trick - you need to stir a small amount of "real" maple syrup.
By small amount I mean stop just before you taste the sweetness, you don't want more than that. and you don't want the sweetness to be tasted.
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BoldJava

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Koffee Kosmo wrote:
If one wants to increase the flavour of coffee
I use this little trick - you need to stir a small amount of "real" maple syrup.
By small amount I mean stop just before you taste the sweetness, you don't want more than that. and you don't want the sweetness to be tasted.
KK


When I make the Czarina's lattes from Ms Silvia, I will often put a fine drizzle (ever so slight) of Wisconsin pure maple syrup atop the frothed milk.

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Koffee Kosmo

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When I make the Czarina's lattes from Ms Silvia, I will often put a fine drizzle (ever so slight) of Wisconsin pure maple syrup atop the frothed milk.

B|Java


You know what I am talking about BJ
Keen to know if you have the same results
A slight enhancement of flavour in the cup

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bvwelch
In case I forgot to report:

Good news with all of these coffees from Chad -- no twang, very tasty!

Java Jampit Estate
Java Pancoer Estate
Sumatra Mandheling TP Select
Uganda Bugisu A ( not from Indonesia but similar nice taste & body)

bvwelch
More good, non-twangy coffees to report:

Java Kali Bendo from Chad
Java Kajumas Organic Taman Dadar (SweetMarias) thanks Eddie!

Next up: Sumatra Takengon Classic but I fear this is just a new name for a twangy coffee... Bill
bvwelch
I'm sorry to report, this one is twangy also. I tried a steeper/faster roast, and extra resting time. The twang isn't as pronounced, but it is there. Going to have to try adding some milk to the cup.

Sumatra Takengon Classic - twangy
EddieDove
I got the same thing you did with the Sumatra Takengon Classic.
Respectfully,

Eddie Dove

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bvwelch
Thanks Eddie.

Gathering my notes together in one place:

Twangy (in my opinion):
Sumatra Lake Toba/Tawar
Sumatra Classic Mandheling
Sumatra Takengon Classic
Sumatra Lintong Grade One
JavaVino Sumatra

The good stuff:
Indonesia Flores Jade
Bali Kintamani Arabica
Sumatra Organic Mandheling
Sumatra Mandheling TP Select
Java Jampit Estate
Java Pancoer Estate
Java Kali Bendo
Java Kajumas Organic Taman Dadar

bvwelch
I'm enjoying this coffee pretty well. No twang:

Sumatra FTO Aceh Arinagata from SweetMarias
bvwelch
I forgot to mention this one:

Sumatra Organic Lampahan - Bonkawan Coop

was not bad, just a hint of 'twang'.
milknmycoffee
I am late to this thread but had to comment since one of my favorite Sumatrans, the Sumatra Takengon Classic, ended up on the 'Twang List'.

I found the Takengon had a bourbon bean like smokiness, a hint unsweetened plums, subtle coco, and forest earth. Maybe the smoke and forest earth I taste is the 'twang' that others are tasting.

I roasted on a WB Poppery I, doing both a 9 minute and an 11 minute roast. Both were lovely but the 11 minute roast had more intense flavors. Neither roast went into second crack at all. Based on the ending temps, I would say that they were City to City +.

Here is the 11 minute roast profile:

Min:sec Temp (F)
00:00:00 78
00:30:00 200
01:00:00 260 30 sec rest
01:30:00 175
02:00:00 250
02:30:00 300
03:00:00 300
03:30:00 325 30 sec rest
03:45:00 225
04:00:00 280
04:30:00 330
04:45:00 350
05:00:00 350
05:30:00 360
06:00:00 375
06:30:00 376
06:33:00 380
07:00:00 380
07:18:00 390
07:30:00 395
08:00:00 410 First Crack
08:15:00 410
08:30:00 410
09:00:00 425
09:30:00 425
09:45:00 415
10:00:00 380
10:10:00 350
10:30:00 400
10:35:00 420
11:00:00 425 end of roast

I am by no means a Sumatran expert....but I really liked this bean. Maybe I just have twangy taste.

Now as far as Sulawesis I don't know....the first and only one, the Sulawesi Tana Toraja Ke'pe, I roasted had this annoying pepper undertone......
seedlings
I've had the Sulawesi Toraja, and it does have the cracked pepper & cigar undertone. I only had 2 pounds, roasted 2 batches, and each tasted the same... although that was before I rested coffees for any proper length of time, but 7 to 10 days in the cupboard might tame her down a little.

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milknmycoffee
Seedlings - Thanks for the feedback about the Sulawesi. It is reassuring to find that some one else has noticed a peppery undertone!

I did two tastings: one at 48 hrs which had a pronounced pepper undertone. The second tasting was 12 days out and was much better. The pepper was indeed tamed down, and more chocolate and caramel had emerged. Still enough pepper to bug me unless consumed with copious amounts of milk.

Can you (or anyone else here) recommend a good non peppery Sulawesi? The Toraja was the first and only Sulawesi that I have ever tasted. I would like to try another...but am afraid of getting more peppery types...



seedlings
A good non-peppery Sulawesi is a Bali ;). That's what sets the Sulawesi apart.

You might be able to tame it with an extended drying time... but that would be like trying to roast the monsoon out of Monsooned Malabar.

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milknmycoffee
Seedlings - Thanks for the suggestion. I have some Bali blue Moon, courtesy of Gene. No pepper at all!!!

Thanks for letting me know that pepper is just part of being Sulawesi :) I could have bought many Sulawesi's only to keep finding that dang pepper.... Too bad because the other flavors are very nice.
allenb

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Seedlings wrote:You might like to move across the bay to Papua New Guinea.


Seedlings,

Recently picked up some Papau New Guinea from Coffee Bean Direct

I can't believe this coffee. I'll have to say its probably one of the finest I've roasted this year. Chocolate, wine, tobacco...

I've read that the seeds used to start the New Guinea plantations in the 1950's came from Jamaica Blue Mountain stock.

Anyway, great suggestion!
1/2 lb and 1 lb drum, Siemens Sirocco fluidbed, presspot, chemex, cajun biggin brewer from the backwoods of Louisiana
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