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seedlings
Anyone have loads of experience with ubuntu? If I were to do a switcheroo over from windows, what would be the ill effects for a 4 year old, cheap, AMD eMachine? Lose all my drivers? How about a dual-boot option?

We're already using Firefox and OpenOffice here at home. I have a friend with a 2 year old Dell laptop, and he can't get the DVD player to work, but other than that, he's quite happy with the switch to ubuntu.

I don't want to lose any functions, just eliminate virus software and speed up this old computer (primary family computer).

CHAD
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
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Koffee Kosmo
I am in the process of doing that as well Chad
I am led to believe that the Ubuntu 8.10 can be run from an external usb hard drive
So for safety I will do this and run it as an independent OS with its own drive

I also want to do all those cool things with a floating cube desktop called compiz/beryl

KK
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bvwelch
There are a lot of *nix-like systems out there, and I've used quite a few of them over the past 25 years or so.

It so happens that Ubuntu is the one I've been using for the past few years.

We can probably come up with a so-called 'live CD', so you can check out your hardware before you get in too deep.

Dual-boot is certainly possible, especially if you have an extra hard drive.

-bill

bvwelch
If you can burn a cd from an ISO file, try this. If not, let me know, I can make one and mail it to you.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD

https://help.ubun...ity/LiveCD


opus
If you are going to go with one of the *nix's, Ubuntu is the way to go. Many years ago [before I went Mac] I played with it. It was pretty good then and I know its got better. After all, anything is better than Windows.

Open Office is ok, but with Google Docs, there is hardly a need to have an office package locally. Guess thats my opinion though. ;)
bvwelch
I'm a big fan of web2.0 and web apps like Google Docs, but that may not be wise for sensitive documents. :-)
seedlings
I'm not really bothered by openoffice or other applications, just want to know your thoughts regarding drivers for a 4-year-old "everything's built-in to the motherboard" cheap emachine. Do you think I'll be able to burn CDs and DVDs? Wonder if I'll still be able to capture from my miniDV camera?

I hoped to hear you say, "oh, don't worry about drivers, they have a fix for everything" or something like that.

CHAD
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500
Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
bvwelch
Chad, it is likely that your old machine will work, but no need to wonder-- try the live CD like I suggested.

I burn CDs and DVDs on my Ubuntu all the time-- the issues are more with finding reliable yet cheap media, not the software or the OS.

As much as I like *nix systems, I must admit that I often find myself doing things on a Windows box for one reason or another.

-bill
Edited by bvwelch on 01/06/2009 9:44 AM
dustyroads
If you are interested in Linux OS, you can go to www.pcworld.com and read about them, it's getting to be a popular OS. I believe you can go to their site and directly download as a separate file, if you don't like it, delete it as you would any other program without affecting your original OS.
bvwelch
That is true-- I forgot to mention the 'vmware appliance' approach-- you can run ubuntu or other *nix systems in as a virtual machine-- kind of slow, but it would be another way to test the waters besides the 'live CD'.

google for vmware appliance ubuntu

-bill


seedlings

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bvwelch wrote:
...run ubuntu or other *nix systems in as a virtual machine-- kind of slow, but it would be another way to test the waters besides the 'live CD'...


Slower than windows? HAHAHhahaHahAhahaAHAHA

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Surely you jest?


I've already downloaded the 700Mb file from ubuntu a couple of weeks ago, just hesitate to pull the trigger. I'll probably read in detail the instructions on the ubuntu site. I seem to remember something about a "try it out" mode.

CHAD
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500
Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
bvwelch
OK Chad, I haven't done a good job of explaining:

1) make live CD ( this is a special version, probably not the one you downloaded. see link above )

2) put live CD into your system

3) reboot

4) ubuntu boots up from the CD, and does not harm your Windows installation.

5) play with ubuntu a while.

6) next time you reboot, just remove the CD, and Windows is back.

Have fun!

-bill
Edited by bvwelch on 01/06/2009 1:31 PM
Koffee Kosmo
I have run the live CD after boot up
It takes about 5 + minutes to get it up ad running
However because Ubuntu is running from the CD it is limited to just a look around, internet is active but that's about it

It does give you the option to Install or run from CD

KK
I home roast and I like it. Designer of the KKTO
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Blog - http://koffeekosm...gspot.com/

Bezzera Strega, Mazzer Robur Grinder, Pullman Tamper Convex,
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joetownroaster
I say go for it. I can check that CD that Canonical sent me. I think it will run it off the CD for you too test it out.
Koffee Kosmo
My downloaded live CD works fine
one quirk to voice is that on my computer I had to install from the CD (I think they call it a grub ) so when you reboot it gives one the option of starting with Windows or Ubuntu

I am currently fitting a thermocouple to the roaster so Ubuntu can wait for now

I will however install it to an external 250gb USB hard drive soonish ;)

KK
Edited by seedlings on 01/07/2009 8:20 AM
I home roast and I like it. Designer of the KKTO
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Bezzera Strega, Mazzer Robur Grinder, Pullman Tamper Convex,
(KKTO) Turbo Oven Home Roaster.
seedlings

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joetownroaster wrote:
I say go for it. I can check that CD that Canonical sent me. I think it will run it off the CD for you too test it out.


Hopefully that will let me check drivers. I forgot that you said you got the CD in the mail. On the website it says 10 weeks! I'll talk to you later.

CHAD
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bvwelch
Chad,

I'd be happy to send you a working live CD, and yes, you will be able to surf the web, use your devices, burn DVD's etc. It is a 'real' system except that it runs out of ram, and doesn't write on your hard drive unless you go out of your way to enable that.

Just let me know

-bill

stereoplegic
i've been using ubuntu studio (lots of extra apps for graphics, audio, and video production) for a while now, and absolutely love it. for an older machine i'd recommend XUBUNTU 8.04.1 (ubuntu w/ a lighter, faster window manager), not 8.10. you can download a livecd version of it as well. i'm actually using XFCE (the window manager that xubuntu uses), as audio production requires a great deal of resources--why waste them on the front-end? though it may be a little slower to download, i'd get something like utorrent and download the torrent, not a direct download of the .iso file (torrent clients can download from multiple sources at once (sometimes faster, sometimes not), and the integrity of a large download is more likely to be preserved).
seedlings
My father in law just had his firs 2009 virus and they had to wipe everything out and start over (still windows). I've lost a bunch of files before (admittedly a hardware, not software problem), and don't want to again.

How is ubuntu different from the PCLinuxOS? Remember, I can barely spell XP, and I am not the programmer type. Layman's terms are all I can grasp.

CHAD
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Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
dBndbit
Great thread! I've had an old desktop running a Corel/Debian distribution with the Wordperfect office suite for a looong time. (You recall, the good one bought out by Microsoft to kill it?) But I've been struggling with the decision to switch my main laptop over for too long.

Thanks for the great links and advice.
Jim
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