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 How to Start Modding? (West Bend Poppery II)
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/22/2012 9:25 PM
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Hello all, HRO newbie, here. Introduced myself in another thread and started looking at people?s projects. Much of it is quite impressive but, to be honest, I don?t know how to get started. See, I have this old, battered West Bend Poppery II (1200 watts) with a melted cover. Haven?t used it much since I got the i-Roast 2, but I?ve been thinking about reviving it for experiments. But it?s a bit overwhelming, even just keeping track of what can be done and how difficult and/or expensive it can be. I don?t really care about quantity, smoke, or even reaching higher temperatures. I typically roast around 150g between Full City and Vienna. But I?d like to have manual control over roasting temperature and, if possible, a way to log chamber temperature through time. Any idea where I might start? I have access to a FabLab and I?m in touch with a number of ?makers?. So, eventually, it could get more ambitious as a project, especially if it can be done in several steps. Thanks! --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/22/2012 9:43 PM
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Been trying to add pix to no avail. Here are two: [img]https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/PopperMod/InsideWBP2.jpg?w=ae579c6c[/img] [img]http://db.tt/wc5nU8sm[/img] --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/22/2012 9:56 PM
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Maybe this will work?
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Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/22/2012 9:57 PM
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And this: (Dark from all the roasting?) --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| ginny |
Posted on 12/23/2012 5:34 AM
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Alex: there are specific instructions for adding a picture. if you still have trouble let one of us know. no spaces in pic title -g  |
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| ginny |
Posted on 12/23/2012 10:14 AM
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test
ginny attached the following image:
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| ginny |
Posted on 12/23/2012 10:18 AM
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Alex: I am not clear on what issue you are having. I changed the name of the photo, NO SPACES/NO PUNCTUATION MARKS AND IT LOADED JUST FINE. remember that a photo will not show up in preview on final post. -g Edited by ginny on 12/23/2012 3:46 PM |
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| allenb |
Posted on 12/23/2012 10:32 AM
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Morning Alex, Where to start, Hmmm... Let's start out with the mission. Sounds like you're wanting to get into a roaster project that isn't a major R&D undertaking but at the same time it needs to include some hands on construction or at least some modding or maybe just assembly. First off, modding a popper to the point where you have at least manual control over the roast with sensors and enough air flow to keep you from having to do the drying phase manual stir is not a small project and in the end it's still a popper but much improved and can produce some great coffee. Building a drum or fluidbed roaster from scratch is also way up there in fabrication and technical challenges. My vote would be for you to spend some quality time reading over the KKTO roaster: http://forum.home...rowstart=0 Most of the critical parts can be purchased from one of our members Koffee Kosmo. The roaster produces excellent roasts, is much quieter, can easily be fitted with sensors and a bonus is you can do larger roasts than 150 grams. The nice thing about this is that while it requires hands on "building" of the roaster, the R&D is already done and you'll know that when you're finished it will be ready to rock and roll. Another option that also produces excellent results is a breadmaker/heatgun roaster which has a lot of great coverage in our Bread Machine Roasters forum. If you decide to go the popper modding route, spend some time with this excellent thread which covers everything from A to Z and more and then shoot us specific questions we can help you out with. http://forum.home...ead_id=270 Allen 1/2 lb and 1 lb drum, Siemens Sirocco fluidbed, presspot, chemex, cajun biggin brewer from the backwoods of Louisiana
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| Dan |
Posted on 12/23/2012 10:44 AM
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Alex, on the menu of the HRO website home page (not the forum) there are three articles on converting a Poppery I that you'll find useful. Goto: http://homeroaste... On the menu goto Coffee Related Articles / Roasting Coffee / Converted Popcorn Maker Dan 1 pound electric sample roaster, 3 pound direct-flame roaster, both handmade; modified Mazzer Mini grinder, LaSpaziale Vivaldi II automatic espresso machine. When the electricity goes out I make vacpot coffee from beans ground on my Zassenhaus hand grinder, and heat the water with a teakettle on the gas range.
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/23/2012 1:02 PM
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Quote ginny wrote: I am not clear on what issue you are having. I changed the name of the photo, NO SPACES/NO PUNCTUATION MARKS AND IT LOADED JUT FINE. remember that a photo will not show up in preview on final post. Might have been the CamelCase, then. I'll try again once I'm at my desktop (I'm on a train). And I'll make sure to document my projects as thoroughly as possible, since it seems to be allowed, here? ;-) --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/23/2012 1:18 PM
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Allen, Quote allenb wrote: Let's start out with the mission. Sounds like you're wanting to get into a roaster project that isn't a major R&D undertaking but at the same time it needs to include some hands on construction or at least some modding or maybe just assembly. Sounds about right. Quote First off, modding a popper to the point where you have at least manual control over the roast with sensors and enough air flow to keep you from having to do the drying phase manual stir is not a small project and in the end it's still a popper but much improved and can produce some great coffee. Good points. In fact, it's possible that this old P2 may be on its last legs. Went through a few poppers, over the years. The main advantage I perceived was in terms of money, at least in initial investment. Quote My vote would be for you to spend some quality time reading over the KKTO roaster: http://forum.home...rowstart=0 Most of the critical parts can be purchased from one of our members Koffee Kosmo. The roaster produces excellent roasts, is much quieter, can easily be fitted with sensors and a bonus is you can do larger roasts than 150 grams. It does sound really neat. I don't really need a bigger capacity, but maybe it could allow me to roast for friends, and get them hooked. The main issues I see are price and the fact that KK seems to be transitioning. A quickly look at the price of parts tells me that it might be quite significant an investment. What I had in mind could cost as much but would require smaller investments, step by step. In a way, I was looking for a way to dip my toe in. In this case, I guess that you basically don't get a working roaster unless you invest in all he parts. But maybe I'm wrong. Also, KK isn't selling kits anymore, and is looking to do a Kickstarter project. I'd be very enthusiastic about getting on the Kickstarter but I don't know how long it'll take. Maybe I should PM KK. Quote Another option that also produces excellent results is a breadmaker/heatgun roaster which has a lot of great coverage in our Bread Machine Roasters forum. Bread machine? Wow! Had heard of the dogbowl and heatgun method (even told a journalist about it) but wouldn't have thought of a breadmachine. Thing is, some of those can be found at Salvation Army, I think. I?ll investigate. Thanks for the tip! I think I'll start with a simpler popper mod project and move on to either a turbo-oven or breadmaker project later on. Thanks again! --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| Enkerli |
Posted on 12/23/2012 1:23 PM
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Dan, Quote Dan wrote: Alex, on the menu of the HRO website home page (not the forum) there are three articles on converting a Poppery I that you'll find useful. Goto: http://homeroaste... On the menu goto Coffee Related Articles / Roasting Coffee / Converted Popcorn Maker Thanks! Would probably not have found that page otherwise, but I think I saw the same content in a thread. Thing is, even this is overwhelming at first but, as Allen says, I'll spend ?quality time? with it. By the way, not sure if it?s a problem on my end but the second and third tutorial (heat control and PID) lead me back to the forum. Thanks again. --
Alex Enkerli i-Roast 2 Roasting since 2002 http://Enkerli.com |
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| allenb |
Posted on 12/23/2012 7:54 PM
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I was unaware of KK's change in direction with the KKTO kits. If down the road you decide to look at building one I would still drop him a line to see if any components are available. I can vouch for the breadmaker/heatgun roaster's ability to do an amazing roast. I did an HRO swap with Jkoll not too far back and enjoyed some of the best Kenya I'd had in years. Let us know how we can help with the popper mods. They can also do an amazing roast. Cheers Allen 1/2 lb and 1 lb drum, Siemens Sirocco fluidbed, presspot, chemex, cajun biggin brewer from the backwoods of Louisiana
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| allenb |
Posted on 12/23/2012 7:57 PM
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Quote By the way, not sure if it?s a problem on my end but the second and third tutorial (heat control and PID) lead me back to the forum. Thanks again. No, it's not a problem on your end as I got the same results. We'll take a look at our system and see what the issue is. Thanks for letting us know. Allen 1/2 lb and 1 lb drum, Siemens Sirocco fluidbed, presspot, chemex, cajun biggin brewer from the backwoods of Louisiana
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| smico |
Posted on 12/23/2012 10:13 PM
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Simple, cheap, easy to build roaster is Stir Crazy - Turbo Oven. Not as robust as KKTO, but I know guy who roasedt over thousand pounds on pair of SC/TO. Hottop B2 + HTC, Cremina 83, OE Pharos, Brewtus IIIR, Baratza Vario
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| Lawnmowerman |
Posted on 12/24/2012 12:16 AM
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I second the motion to check out the breadmaker mod. I believe they probably require less modifications than others. Mainly the replacement of all plastic in the lid with metal. And I have done 150gram roasts with mine. No problem.
Bad coffee prevails when good coffee roasters stand by and do nothing.
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