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Advice on first my roaster (in UK)
dekafka
Hi all,
I live in the UK and it seems there are no decent budget options, like the SR500 available here.
I didn't want to spend more than that, and found a couple of other things on ebay, one similar to the SR500 in principle, made in china, which I'd like to avoid, then some other flat pan roaster thing on amazon which reviews say isn't great for evenness...
Please see the little video I made https://videoblur...budget.mp4
showing these two options, and I would love to hear if there are other alternatives out there!
Thanks,
Mark.
Edited by JackH on 03/01/2021 8:44 AM
 
renatoa
Avoid the pan device, as it is sold is not appropriate for a correct coffee roasting.
Torturing, yes Grin

If you go on FR way, you should be aware it is 110V, so you have to rewire for 230V.
Is not an impossible task, but not trivial either. I did it for a Nesco machine, replacing the heating element with heaters spare parts like this:
www.ebay.com/i/12...

I seen the chinese units, they are partially clone, not identical carbon-copy, not reviewed yet, thus a lottery. They have too small load, 120 grams, comparable with a popper... if having at least 200 grams I would be tempted to review one.

For you the best sleeper alternative in EU is the Dieckmann Roestmeister machine.

Or... build yourself one :)
Almost any appliance that can provide a 250 C hot air environment and a stirring method is a good candidate for a coffee roasting machine. Popcorn maker, bread machine, rotisserie oven, halogen vortex oven... list is open.

Did I mentioned stove roasting ? Grin Check Hive roaster and let your imagination fly how you can build one from a sieve and Bundt (Kougelhopf) cake pan Grin
 
dekafka

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renatoa wrote:
Almost any appliance that can provide a 250 C hot air environment and a stirring method is a good candidate for a coffee roasting machine. Popcorn maker, bread machine, rotisserie oven, halogen vortex oven... list is open.
Did I mentioned stove roasting ? Grin Check Hive roaster and let your imagination fly how you can build one from a sieve and Bundt (Kougelhopf) cake pan Grin


Thanks for the advice... so what is the consensus about stove top machines like this one? I suppose the main challenge is the inability to calibrate the amount of flame/heat on a hob...

Also I read that "R?stmeister is suitable for all green coffees in which the silver skin has been removed." So you have to buy THEIR green coffee only?

videoblurb.com/mp/stovetop.png
Edited by dekafka on 03/01/2021 9:39 AM
 
renatoa
Nope, not only their coffee, but you should be prepared for the mess of chaff flying around.
It's easier than you think, if you roast with the machine inside a large cartoon box. Fortunately, the chaff is not lifted by hot air farther than some cm away from the machine body.
You can find clips on youtube showing this machine roasting normal, unpeeled beans.

Yes, main stove roasting challenge is the flame consistence and reproducibility.
 
OldMan41
Huh. Where do I begin?
I went to Jamaica and had JBM coffee. Best dam coffee I ever had!!! Could drink it black wit nuttin!
Back home it was folgers coffee again. Just like my Dad. Again when I got married...
I started to notice Folgers flavor changing!...?
Tried Maxwell house. Same thing after a while.
(All this is years in the making)
I started to read the labels. I have always used the cans and plastic containers from the coffee for nuts bolts screws...
So I could see the way they changed the verbiage on the labels.
Side note: Cigars did the same thing! (cuban seed)
Plant that bean in a different area of the world. Still can call it "Arabica bean".
So what I was used to had changed. My JBM experience probably started my palate to change.
Eventually I could not stand it anymore!!!!
Coffee at corner stores, blah. Coffee at Waffle House, blah blah. Coffee at family homes, blah.
Started buying specialty coffees at store. EXPENSIVE!
Tried Starbucks. Again EXPENSIVE!
I take my penny's I pinch in half with my cheeks and turn them into dimes!
Brain storm! Buy JBM and be happy. Oops. Boston Stoker sells it for 50 bucs a lbs.
It lasts 1 day on the shelf.
I decide to buy it on the INTERNET!
16bucs a lbs. Errrrr. But better than Boston Stoker.
Brain storm! Buy coffee roaster for 50ish bucs and buy green beans. Problem SOLVED!
Now down the rabbit hole of loss and learning about my desire for a golden cup of coffee.
My dissatisfaction with the market taking advantage of me and my pocket.(changing the product for more profit in a global market)
Catapulted me into my desire and need to beat them at their game. ( A deep deep game on many levels)
So this is a hobby/passion!
Not a pass time. Pass time is going to putt putt with the kids to kill a couple of hours playing golf.
A hobby is something that gives you pleasure, personal satisfaction, since of accomplishment!
I have moved from the old style Nesco.
But I enjoyed it all the same.
So I say to you. If after you read more about this roasting and look into your thoughts on what brought you here.
Think about how much coffee you drink a day or week. If bought exactly what you like every time for a year.
Whether it's star bucks, Boston stoker roasted, online roasted coffee.
Then add that up.
Now you can decide. Buy the cheaply and have a go.
Or buy something that gives you some room to grow, resell later, have fun!
Well it's time for me to "get off my soap box". or UK version, Sunday soapbox orators.
I hope no matter what you decide. You enjoy yourself.
OldMan41 attached the following image:
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dekafka
Hi OldMan41,
Thanks for the coffee story ;)
I have now decided to buy a German device, the Dieckmann Rostmeister as it was recommended by Renatoa and is almost all there is in my price range, 220v and available in the UK!
I've read some are not enchanted by it, citing issues with very messy output if you don't use their huskless beans, and not as evenly roasted as could be, but I'd rather that than a popcorn machine or a stove top which doesn't allow for roasts that are easily repeatable.
Nice machine you have, looks way out of my ?200 budget.
Cheers, be well
Mark.
 
renatoa
If you aren't in a hurry, and can wait, you can find used on UK eBay even under 100, check this:
www.ebay.co.uk/it...4392124218
 
OldMan41

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dekafka wrote:

Hi OldMan41,
Thanks for the coffee story ;)
I have now decided to buy a German device, the Dieckmann Rostmeister as it was recommended by Renatoa and is almost all there is in my price range, 220v and available in the UK!
I've read some are not enchanted by it, citing issues with very messy output if you don't use their huskless beans, and not as evenly roasted as could be, but I'd rather that than a popcorn machine or a stove top which doesn't allow for roasts that are easily repeatable.
Nice machine you have, looks way out of my ?200 budget.
Cheers, be well
Mark.


No, that was the first Nesco from 2012, it was 125 usd.
I'm very happy for you!
Welcomegreenmanwoohoo

This is my older but more recent unit. 2016
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dekafka

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renatoa wrote:

If you aren't in a hurry, and can wait, you can find used on UK eBay even under 100, check this:
www.ebay.co.uk/it...4392124218


Thanks, I have already pulled the trigger... ;)
I hope it's good, I have seen some other forum posts from 2011 where someone was saying they'd found one for 99p on ebay and the comments were that it's about what it's worth (nooooo.....)

Have you ever used one, it's hard to find any proper reviews on it.

tx
Mark.
 
renatoa
I own one, it's my backup machine, was the next step after popper, and before building my actual TO machine.
I am using it for variation in the summer, when I can roast open air, on the balcony.
 
dekafka

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renatoa wrote:

I own one, it's my backup machine, was the next step after popper, and before building my actual TO machine.
I am using it for variation in the summer, when I can roast open air, on the balcony.


Ah cool, well, that's a relief, that you'd recommend it...
I didn't realise it is going to be as messy as I hear it is. Doing it outside only is a bit of a pain in the UK with the usual wet weather!
tx
Mark
 
brianalfaro
I would like to recommend you buy SR800.
The SR800 is the newest addition to the Freshroast Coffee roaster family. It is a step up from the previous models and will roast up to a 1/2 pound of wet-processed coffee and about 6 ounces of dry-processed coffee.
 
renatoa
SR800 is available for US mains only unfortunately... so far
I guess converting to 230V wouldn't be so difficult, already did this with a Nesco, but shipping from US to EU, plus customs, make them not attractive atm.
 
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