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Challenge to Brave Espresso Brewers
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seedlings |
Posted on 01/30/2008 3:36 PM
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I'm looking for a few brave home espresso brewers to volunteer a good clear picture of what your espresso grind looks like. Believe it or not, some of us have never tried, or have tried unsuccessfully to make espresso. I'm thinking a process like this: 1) grind as normal for your usual great espresso 2) pinch some of the grounds between your index finger and thumb 3) submit a "thumbs up" close-up picture of how fine and uniform the grinds look embedded in your thumbprint (you may have to use the "macro" or "flower" setting on your digital camera for a good close-up ) Of course, those of you leary of "big brother" getting a thumbprint... provide an alternate picture, but find a creative way for me to compare your picture to another...like... 1) grind as normal for your usual great espresso 2) sprinkle just a teeny pile of grounds in the portafilter basket 3) snap a great close-up CHAD Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500 Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover |
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MarkBart |
Posted on 01/30/2008 4:31 PM
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Glasshopper, Glasshopper, Glasshopper! To ask of us a difinitave answer in a medium that is so full of variables, you do us a disservice. (wow ain't he prosey!) I never could understand the grind level either so I got me a "Nekid Portafilter" and printed out The Home Bartista's Guide to Espresso from http://www.home-b...guide.html In the section labeled Introduction to Barista Techniques, subsection Grinder Adjustment and beyond are tips and techniques on how to zero in on the correct extraction and grind based on time of shot until it blonds. I have found my grind was good for aged 3-4 day coffee but not for anything newer. the grinder needed to be adjusted a half step on those. I found a nice step by step way to dial in your grinder here http://www.home-b...t3113.html Mark Edited by MarkBart on 01/30/2008 4:36 PM I'm so Bad, I'm Good!
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Kaffee Bitte |
Posted on 01/30/2008 4:52 PM
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Ok, so they aren't the best pics, but here is what my camera would produce. These pics are of fine grind that nearly chokes my lever machine. Infact it would mostly likely be too fine for most pump machines. ![]() ![]() and this one is a little perspective. ![]() Lynn
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bjanis |
Posted on 01/31/2008 8:43 AM
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This is the grind that gives me a 30 sec 1.5 -2 oz. shot.
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bjanis |
Posted on 01/31/2008 8:45 AM
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Tis never easy. .5mm pencil lead and 1/16 graph paper
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Edited by bjanis on 01/31/2008 8:46 AM |
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Kaffee Bitte |
Posted on 01/31/2008 11:31 AM
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Bjanis, that looks to be about the same grind level as I am using with my present coffee. MarkBart, gave you some good advice there, Chad. That link is truly helpful, with tons of good and useful information in it. Lynn
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seedlings |
Posted on 01/31/2008 12:32 PM
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1 1/2 Pounder ![]() Posts: 4226 Joined: June 27, 2007 |
Quote MarkBart wrote: Glasshopper, Glasshopper, Glasshopper! To ask of us a difinitave answer in a medium that is so full of variables, you do us a disservice. (wow ain't he prosey!) I never could understand the grind level either so I got me a "Nekid Portafilter" and printed out The Home Bartista's Guide to Espresso from http://www.home-b...guide.html In the section labeled Introduction to Barista Techniques, subsection Grinder Adjustment and beyond are tips and techniques on how to zero in on the correct extraction and grind based on time of shot until it blonds. I have found my grind was good for aged 3-4 day coffee but not for anything newer. the grinder needed to be adjusted a half step on those. I found a nice step by step way to dial in your grinder here http://www.home-b...t3113.html Mark Markoson, I have consumed those threads already! Tasty. I asked for nothing definitive, only relative. I'd hoped to learn a little bit about espreso grind, but also to provide a fun excuse for people to snap a picture and post it up. Ooh, and I got's me wanna doze nekkid portafilters too! I cannot find the in-between from the 12 second blond gusher and the complete trainwreck dribble .5 oz in 30 seconds. I pulled my "best" shot yet this morning in 15 seconds. It was still a blond gusher, though. Coffee has rested 4 days now. Thanks Lynn and bjanis! Actually you both grind a little coarser than I do right now. Very interesting. Thanks for the participation. CafeParts has shipped my new burrs, so we'll see!!!!! Omigosh, I need to post a picture!!! CHAD Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500 Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover |
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EddieDove |
Posted on 01/31/2008 4:34 PM
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Hey Chad, I have heard that Splenda is a good comparison for size of grind for espresso; at least in the ball park. Respectfully,
Eddie Dove The South Coast Coffee Roaster vita non est vivere sed valere vita est Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Reference http://southcoast...gspot.com/ |
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seedlings |
Posted on 01/31/2008 6:49 PM
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I'll have to ... ahem ... "acquire" some splenda packets from the local fast food establishment. I take my coffee black and my wife prefers the pink stuff. Caution: I've got the calloused, dryest and most stained thumb there is. CHAD
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Edited by seedlings on 01/31/2008 7:00 PM Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500 Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover |
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Kaffee Bitte |
Posted on 02/01/2008 1:37 AM
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Looking at your photo, Chad, and Bjanis's. Yikes my camera is awful. But on a better note. The grind that is in my pic was actually a bit finer than Bjanis's, but not as fine as yours. Then again, your grind appears to have a fairly wide variation in particle size. Not easy to tell, but I see lots of fines, some middle sized particles and also some much bigger chunks. The short story? New burrs. Yep, I said it. Lynn
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bjanis |
Posted on 02/01/2008 6:35 AM
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I am using a 21 gram, triple cup, in my open bottom portafilter. That's why mine is coarser, of course. The settings on my Mazzer mini are at 4 notches above 4, or 2 notches below the median on the label for the grind of espresso. |
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seedlings |
Posted on 02/01/2008 8:11 AM
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I rolled the grounds between my index finger and thumb, which may explain the clumping. The new burrs should be here today! CHAD Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500 Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover |
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bjanis |
Posted on 02/01/2008 2:06 PM
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I think I saww that thumb on CSI s:8 s:8 s:8 s:8 s:8 |
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seedlings |
Posted on 02/01/2008 3:07 PM
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1 1/2 Pounder ![]() Posts: 4226 Joined: June 27, 2007 |
Um... no, no! That's . . . err . . . my pinky. Yeah! That's it... my . . . pinky! Uh, I really have no idea what you're talking about or anything. Really, I'm innocent, I swear it. I mean, how could I have robbed that ice cream truck?!? It's, like, winter and everything. Gosh. What're you even talking about? You have the wrong guy. -JOE Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500 Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover |
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bvwelch |
Posted on 02/01/2008 5:28 PM
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I saw a web site recently, that sprinkled the grounds over the face of a U.S. dime. It was a neat way to compare the grounds to the lettering on the coin. Be sure to scroll down and look at the high-res photos, not just the thumbnail (pun) http://www.ineedc...ffeegrind/ -bill Edited by bvwelch on 02/01/2008 5:31 PM |
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Kaffee Bitte |
Posted on 02/01/2008 10:27 PM
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That is a good illustration, Bill, however... Is it just me or did they just use a hammer to "grind" that coffee. Don't get me wrong it is a great way of showing it, but seriously those were CHUNKS of coffee, not ground coffee. The coarse one would take like twenty minutes of brewing in a french press. The fine one would be workable as a french press maybe but need a five or six minute brewing. No way would that "fine" grind ever make an acceptable espresso. Watery dreck! Alright everyone, Throw down your grind on a dime variations!! Lets show how we roll around here. Lynn
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