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March 2010 roast comparison and tasting bean swap.
seedlings
I'm finished too. Working on a video if I can convert from .mov to some file that windows movie maker recognizes. Maybe we should wait to hear that everyone is finished before we post our tastings?

CHAD
Edited by seedlings on 03/27/2010 2:35 PM
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500
Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
randytsuch
As I have converted my random numbers back into names, I starting to worry about offending people.

Randy
seedlings

Quote

randytsuch wrote:
As I have converted my random numbers back into names, I starting to worry about offending people.

Randy


I know how my coffee compared, so I know what's coming! We had an understanding from the beginning about having a tough skin. You won't offend me for sure - the proof is in the tasting... now I have to figure out why my coffee tastes like it does.

CHAD
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500
Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
John Despres
About to cup mine now. Marshall's didn't arrive today, but I need to press on.

Let's wait until everyone is confirmed finished before posting results.

Remember, thick skins, everyone! This may not be easy...

John
Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
John Despres
Okay, I'm finished, and boy what a surprise...

I'm ready to take my licks if I got 'em coming...:|

John
Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
bvwelch
Hey guys, don't feel that you have to wait for me- as I warned you previously, it will be a few days before I leave the Sunshine State and head for home, where I trust my faithful postal workers are resisting their urge to open my mail. :-)

My strategy will be to ask my wife to hide the names from me, so that I can do blind comparisons and tasting. But as you know, my descriptions will be very basic -- like, don't like, etc. No chance of poetry here. :-)
John Despres
My wife numbered mine and set the key aside so I had no idea whose was whose.

John
Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
John Despres
I just blended the remaining beans for a couple shots of espresso tomorrow morning. That ought to be most enjoyable.

:trink25:

John
Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
camper
I received beans today from Gene. Only person I did not get beans from is Tim.
I have finished the cupping & will wait for the go ahead to give my results. It was very interesting to see the differences from different roasters for the same beans.
endlesscycles
Just finished blind cupping 5 of y'alls and 2 of mine. I have good notes for all and only one with somewhat negative comments.
-Marshall Hance
Asheville, NC
endlesscycles
I'm posting my notes. I feel awkward having reviewed my own roasts more positively than others, but I feel fair in doing so as the cupping was blind to the finish.

a: 12 grams, roasted to a full city. Some oil on surface of beans. Darkest of all roasts. Dry fragrance was kitty litter (-3), wet aroma was musty shoes(-3), ash tray at the break(-2). Cup was culled without further evaluation.
John Despress
Roast notes: yellow at 7:00, 1st at 12:10, finished at 15:40
(7:00 / 5:10 / 3:30)

b: 9grams, city plus. Light and even roast, but came crushed. Dry fragrance was fruit juice (2.5), wet aroma was light juice (1.5), break bright with strawberries (2.5). Cup had good juice flavor, moderate sweetness, and a light body. There was an off flavor present in the finish, a slight ashy hint perhaps some staling.
Gene Counts
Roast notes: yellow?(guess) at 5:00, first at 13:11, finished at 14:45
(5:00 / 8:11 / 2:34)

c: 13 grams, city roast. Very light with some evidence of tipping. Dry fragrance was deep toned (1), wet aroma was floral and bright (2), the break contained current notes and exhibited juiciness (2.5). The cup was very sweet with a mild body. Bright ripe juice flavors and a hint of tea finishing with a slight astringency. Third favorite
Marshall Hance
Roast notes: yellow at 5:00 310F, 1st at 7:30 375F, finished at 10:15 420F
(5:00 / 2:30 / 2:45)

d: 12 grams, city roast. Light and even, slight tipping evident. Lightest of all roasts. Dry fragrance was mild and nice (2), wet aroma was juicy and awesome (3), break was complexly layered with caramel, fruit, and chocolate powder (3). Cup was sweet, with lively strawberry juice acidity and a dry finish. Favorite overall.
Marshall Hance (non-submitted sample)
Roast notes: yellow at 4:45 300F, 1st at 7:15, 375F, finished at 10:15 420F
(4:45 / 2:30 / 3:00)

e: 13 grams, city roast. A very even roast, came crushed. Dry fragrance was exceptionally bright (3+), nice wet aroma (2), and some fruit at break. (2). The cup was smooth and sweet with a mulled wine acidity. Second favorite, exceptionally good.
Randy Tsuchiyama
Roast notes: yellow at ?, 1st at 9:50, finished at 14:10
(? / ? / 4:20)

f: 12 grams, city roast. Very nice looking, but a hint of tipping. Dry fragrance was muted (1), wet aroma had slight fruit (1), the break was mild (1). The cup was flat and mild.
Chad Bueford

g: 13g city plus roast. Nice looking roast, though there was some evidence of scorching. Dry fragrance was muted (1), wet aroma was very quiet (1), and had a mild break (1). The cup was very similar to f, but slightly brighter.
William Welch
-Marshall Hance
Asheville, NC
ginny
John:

how do you get into this action??

gShock
John Despres

Quote

ginny wrote:
John:

how do you get into this action??

gShock


You're a little late for this one, but there will be another. Hang in there, Tootsie-Pop! Keep your eyes open for the next one.

John
Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
John Despres
And here are my results - I blind cupped them with my own submission in the group.
Listed below in order of finish – Scored on a 1 to 5 ranking. I didn’t bother with regional distinction or cupper’s correction.

Tim’s was destroyed by the mail and Marshall’s didn’t arrive in time, so here are the six I cupped.

Gene
Dry grounds fragrance 4 – Very sweet
Wet grounds aroma 4 – sweet mild chocolate
Body/mouthfeel 4
Acidity 2
Complexity 3
Depth 4
Sweetness 3
Balance 4
Total 28
Notes: somewhat uneven roast, city +, slight oils showing

Wayne
Dry grounds fragrance 4 – Sweet & winey
Wet grounds aroma 3 -
Body/mouthfeel 4
Acidity 2
Complexity 4
Depth 4
Sweetness 3
Balance 3
Total 27
Notes: Fairly even roast, city, no oils showing

Bill
Dry grounds fragrance 3 - Sweet
Wet grounds aroma 5 – lovely chocolate, sweet
Body/mouthfeel 3
Acidity 0
Complexity 3
Depth 3
Sweetness 4
Balance 3
Total 24
Notes: Pretty even roast, City +, a little oil showing

Randy
Dry grounds fragrance 3 – Rich, full
Wet grounds aroma 4 – Nice chocolate
Body/mouthfeel 3
Acidity 0
Complexity3
Depth 3
Sweetness 3
Balance 3
Total 22
Notes: Somewhat uneven roast, City, no oils showing

CHAD
Dry grounds fragrance 3 – Mildly sweet but a little flat
Wet grounds aroma 3 -
Body/mouthfeel 3
Acidity 2
Complexity 3
Depth 2
Sweetness 3
Balance 2
Total 21
Notes: Fairly even roast, City, no oils showing

John
Dry grounds fragrance 2 – No distinctions
Wet grounds aroma 3 – Bitter chocolate
Body/mouthfeel 3
Acidity 1
Complexity 3
Depth 2
Sweetness 1
Balance 3
Total 18
Notes: Fairly even roast, Full city, lots of oils showing

Interestingly, I found very little acidity in any of them. From the beginning, I had problems with this coffee and couldn’t seem to get a handle on it and it seems to show in my own cupping… Prior to my submission and after, I’ve not come to terms with this one. Ugh.

Based on my own results combined with Marshall's, I have a feeling I'm in for a licking on this one. Bring it!

:|

John

Respect the bean.
John Despres
Fresh Roast 8, Gene Cafe, JYTT 1k, Quest M3, Mazzer Mini, Technivorm, various size presses and many more brewers.
randytsuch

Quote

ginny wrote:
John:

how do you get into this action??

gShock


You missed this one. We all bought some green from Marshall (endlesscycles) earlier this month, spent some time playing roasting them, and then exchanged about 10-15 grams of beans with each other, sent out last Monday.

Marshall
I'm flattered by your review.
I just finished my writeup, I'll post it later, so I felt OK to read your review. I'll comment more when the others have said they have finished their cupping review (except for bvwelch, who is traveling)

BTW, I did not cup Wayne's yet, because it came yesterday in the mail, after I had finished cupping. I am off on vacation for a few days, and will cup it when I get back.

Randy
seedlings
Process: I weighed 8g of coffee from an envelope onto a plate, then placed the envelope on top. Once I did the same with the rest of the samples, I told my wife to put a the same letter on each envelope/plate combo, then put all the envelopes away, leaving 8 lettered plates with coffee beans. I washed our little dust-buster and used it to clear out the chute between grind samples. I ground A, placed it in a cup, vacuumed the grinder, then repeated for each offering. All the while water was coming to boil on the stove. Once all cups had grounds, I put the water to high until it started swirling (but not bubble rolling), then poured 5oz to each cup A through H, and a spoon cleaning cup. Set the timer for only 3 minutes because after I ground the first coffee, I wished I'd made it a bit coarser, but left the grinder set and adjusted brew time to compensate. At the 3:00 mark, I broke crust and sniffed each coffee A-H, and wrote a short note. Then I went back to A and slurped, cleaned the spoon, sipped some cold water, then went to B. After going through all the coffees I went back and started taking notes. I'd sip A, then E, then back to A to see which I liked better, and so on.

Beans: I didn't inspect the beans until after cupping. I would say all beans are in a close range of roast between City+ and Full City. On the lighter end was Marshall, Wayne and Randy. Bill, Gene and myself were in the middle, with Tim's ever so slightly darker. John's was just a touch darker still and was the only coffee I noticed oil droplets. I didn't find anything but very light signs of tipping on any of the roasts.

Grounds: I think this particular Ethiopian always smells better than it tastes. There wasn't much variation in the grind aromas to me except for some smokines with Tim's.

Break Crust/Aroma: This is where I could begin to tell differneces form one offering to the next. Marshall, Gene, Bill and Mine were close enough to call the same: general berry aroma (0). Wayne's added distinct blueberry, and I gave it the nod for 1st here (+1). Randy's had a the berry, but added a baking bread aroma - tied with John's "dark berry" (-1). Tim's smelled heavily of smoke (-2).

Taste: I call the general flavor profile for this coffee "earthy berry," and Gene's (6.5) roast was a nice example. Slight sweetness, medium-light body, lingering earth. Marshall (7) pulled out a little more sweetness, and Randy (7.5) added some brownie to go over the top. Gene (6) was similar, but a little flat or baked. Bill (5.5) lost some of the sweetness and leaned slightly dark/bitter. Mine (4.5) added smoke over the top of the general profile. The samples from Tim (4) and John (4) had dominant smoky notes.

These numbers are NOT based on a formula. I just wanted to give an idea of how close or far apart each entry was.

E 88.0 Randy
A 87.5 Marshall
C 87.0 Gene
G 86.0 Bill
B 85.5 Wayne
H 83.0 Chad
F 81.5 John
D 80.0 Tim

The letters correspond to my wife's scheme, and were arranged alphabetically with A on my far right, through H on my far left.

CHAD
Roaster: CoffeeAir II 2# DIY air roaster
Grinder: Vintage Grindmaster 500
Brewers: Vintage Cory DCU DCL, Aeropress, Press, Osaka Titanium pourover
camper
I used the coffee rating sheet used by Tom at Sweet Maria's. The following numerical values were used: Dry Aroma, Wet Aroma, & Body were scored 1-5; Acidity, Flavour & Finish were scored 1-10; then 50 points were added to each sample to get the total score.

The following is how I scored the 7 samples:
John
Dry Aroma 4
Wet Aroma 3
Acidity 8
Body 4.5
Flavour 8
Finish 8.5
Add 50
Total 86

Wayne
Dry Aroma 4.5
Wet Aroma 3.5
Acidity 7
Body 4.5
Flavour 8
Finish 8
Add 50
Total 85.5

Bill
Dry Aroma 3
Wet Aroma 3
Acidity 8
Body 4.5
Flavour 8
Finish 8
Add 50
Total 84.5

Chad
Dry Aroma 4.5
Wet Aroma 3
Acidity 7
Body 4
Flavour 8
Finish 8
Add 50
Total 84.5

Gene
Dry Aroma 4
Wet Aroma 3.5
Acidity 7
Body 3
Flavour 7
Finish 8
Add 50
Total 82.5

Randy
Dry Aroma 4
Wet Aroma 3.5
Acidity 5
Body 3
Flavour 7
Finish 5
Add 50
Total 77.5

Marshall
Dry Aroma 3
Wet Aroma 2
Acidity 7
Body 3
Flavour 6
Finish 5
Add 50
Total 76

I prefer french roast coffee & I thought John's roast tasted best.
I received coffee beans in excellent condition from John, Bill, Chad, Randy & Marshall. Gene's sample arrived with a small slit in the edge of the envelope & most of the beans crushed.
gene
Been a long day. Its on verge of darkness and I have been outside trying to do a batch ot Tom's Monkey Blend. Right on very edge of 2nd crack. Just beginning to smoke twice before cooling.

At one PM today here comes Judy from mailbox. I had everything laid out for cupping. I was trying to get new grinder dialed in or I would have been finished. "You have another bulky envelope".
Seems I now have everyone but Wayne? Used CG suggestions on cupping. Judy had numbered cups and envelopes earlier so I wouldn't be prejudiced. It seems John and Bill had the darkest roasts. Marshall the lightest.

This is one of hardest things I have attempted in awhile. Next time won't take two days! Here goes:

Randy
Aroma. Dry 8 Muted berry
Aroma, Wet 9 definite blueberry
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 8
Flavor 8
Aftertaste 7
Add 50
Total 97

Marshall
Aroma. Dry 9 Winey and hints of berry
Aroma, Wet 8 Complex, seems to have maybe choc and wine
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 7
Flavor 8
Aftertaste 7
Add 50
Total 96

Bill
Aroma. Dry 8 Faint Choc
Aroma, Wet 8 muted choc
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 7
Flavor 7
Aftertaste 7
Add 50
Total 94

John
Aroma. Dry 8 Dark bitter choc, yet sweet
Aroma, Wet 7 definite choc aroma
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 7 choc
Flavor 7
Aftertaste 7
Add 50
Total 93


Tim
Aroma. Dry 8 berry
Aroma, Wet 7 very muted
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 6
Flavor 6
Aftertaste 7
Add 50
Total 91

Chad
Aroma. Dry 7 Faint berry?
Aroma, Wet 6 faded, can’t tell
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 6
Flavor 6
Aftertaste 6
Add 50
Total 88

Gene
Aroma. Dry 7
Aroma, Wet 6
Acidity 7
Mouthfeel 5
Flavor 6
Aftertaste 5
Add 50
Total 86

We definitely need our bad Girlz next time, Ginny and Milknmycoffee et al!
camper
Now that we have had the maiden voyage, what is next?
We are almost into April.
Are we going to stay with the everyone gets the same beans or are we;) going to another format?
Hamilton
Here are my notes. I used the formula John detailed in the other thread in this forum. In order of tasting:

Chad
dry grounds 3 fruity, berries, slightly ashy?
wet grounds 3
body 2
acidity 1
complexity 2
depth 3
sweetness 1
balance 3
total: 18

Gene
dry grounds 2
wet grounds 2
body 1
acidity 3 slightly more acid than most other roasts. pleasant
complexity 2
depth 2
sweetness 1
balance 3
total: 17

Bill
dry grounds 4 lots of fruit and berries
wet grounds 4 fruity, almost citrusy. piney?
body 3
acidity 2
complexity 3
depth 2
sweetness 1
balance 3
total: 22

John
dry grounds 2 not a lot of berry. mild
wet grounds 1 slightly ashy
body 1
acidity 1
complexity 2
depth 2
sweetness 1
balance 2
total: 12

Randy
dry grounds 5 very powerful, clean berry aroma. very nice
wet grounds 4
body 3
acidity 2
complexity 4
depth 3
sweetness 2
balance 3 this is a very good cup
Total: 26

Marshall
dry grounds 4 blueberry
wet grounds 3 berry persists. slightly bready
body 2
acidity 3 pleasant amount of acidity.
complexity 4
depth 4
sweetness 3
balance 4
total: 27

Marshall's was my clear favorite. Randy's beans showed up mostly smashed but still cupped very well. His was an excellent second, IMO. Overall I seemed to prefer the lighter roasts, which is not surprising for an Ethiopian, I guess.
Tim
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