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 Powered Victorio hand cranked popper
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/09/2018 8:39 AM
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I have been roasting for years with a Back to Basics Whirley Pop style (stainless steel) popcorn popper turned with a cordless drill. Recently I decided to upgrade because the lid was failing which was adding to the already awkward set up. I could install new clips and continue using it but want to start fresh I chose the best one I could find which is the Victorio as recommended by Sweet Marias. To be honest (albeit disloyal) I got it at Amazon for $45 total. The Victorio has just one large clamp.. The Victorio has a flexible drive while the WP had gears and the drill was mounted vertically. The vertical mounting was awkward but the horizontal mounting to the flex drive is much simpler to set up. I am waiting for the Victorio to arrive so am in the planning stage but I did a mock up with the WP and a cordless drill, see photo. I hope I do not have to shorten the Victorios handle to facilitate attachment but will do that if required. I am currently using the Coleman propane stove which I used with the WP. The drill is held at the correct height for that stove using a Panavise which is mounted to a turkey board from Goodwill that I use for electronics repair. I plan to build a dedicated support and will have a dedicated corded drill. It is a mite disconcerting to have the battery die mid roast.  Victorio VKP1160  
Edited by Ozo on 08/10/2018 2:29 PM Tim
"Espresso is a miracle of chemistry in a cup." Andrea Illy |
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| ChicagoJohn |
Posted on 08/10/2018 8:04 AM
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I like the simplicity. How do you control the time-temperature profile with a set up like this?
So many beans; so little time.... |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/10/2018 9:23 AM
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Quote ChicagoJohn wrote: I like the simplicity. How do you control the time-temperature profile with a set up like this? I just turn the burner on high and rotate the stirrer rapidly and thats it I have never turned down the heat to change the profile. The results "in the cup" are fantastic so I have never experimented, never even had a temp probe in there either. I keep the size down, 2 cups of green beans. Tim
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| renatoa |
Posted on 08/10/2018 9:31 AM
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How do you know the burner pressure is constant ? So you have PID on the espresso machine, but don't feel the need for more control for roasting... while I was convinced exactly about the reverse  Kidding, you could be lucky finding the right quantity for your machine natural curve, and stick with it... There are coffees and coffees though... washed and naturals, hard or not, different altitudes... |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/10/2018 9:56 AM
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Quote renatoa wrote: How do you know the burner pressure is constant ? So you have PID on the espresso machine, but don't feel the need for more control for roasting... while I was convinced exactly about the reverse Kidding, you could be lucky finding the right quantity for your machine natural curve, and stick with it... There are coffees and coffees though... washed and naturals, hard or not, different altitudes... I have been using the same origin which is dry processed, high altitude, for a long time but soon am going to do some experimenting with different origins so would be more inclined to experiment with the temp. I have been roasting to Full City so I assume it is not as critical. Also, I am at sea level in Florida and atmospheric pressure and ambient temps are rather constant and again assume the propane bottle pressure is somewhat constant. Edited by Ozo on 08/10/2018 2:33 PM Tim
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| ChicagoJohn |
Posted on 08/10/2018 3:26 PM
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Quote I just turn the burner on high and rotate the stirrer rapidly and thats it I have never turned down the heat to change the profile. The results "in the cup" are fantastic so I have never experimented, never even had a temp probe in there either. I keep the size down, 2 cups of green beans. That's great -- again simplicity, and I have the same criterion you do: What I like, period. Sounds like you're batch size is about 340 gm, same as I'm using but with an air roaster I built incorporating way, way too much measurement and control complexities. It works OK, but I think since my goal is making a product I like in the morning (and another one for my wife who loves espresso), if I were starting all over again, I'd probably try to emulate what you have done and keep it as simple as possible in both design and operation. As a great contributor here, OldGearHead (OGH) used to tell me, a roaster has a natural curve and if you get things set up right, you can just pretty much do its thing. Sounds like what you have and what I have too, but after a much longer and costlier journey to that destination. Despite the absence of temperature data, I take it you do go by some observables like sounds of 1st crack, smell, etc? Also, how do you cool you batch down at the end and get rid of chaff? So many beans; so little time.... |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/10/2018 6:47 PM
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The roast seems to go along as expected, sounds are distinct and last a while especially 2d crack which takes longer and the violence of that second crack indicates to me that the temp is hot enough but not too hot. The process time is short at about 71/2 minutes as I recall but my memory is suspect. I vaguely recall some problem when the stove was not full blast. It is not a real powerful stove but gets the job done if on high. The beans look very consistent but then it is pretty dark. I do not think I ever saw a roast that was not consistent Chaff is left in the roaster and on the cooling screen. I have been cooling it by trapping it in two screen colanders which I wave around till it cools down with no smoke and then I throw it on a big tray one bean thick so cools to ambient quite rapidly. However I am close to completing a bucket cooler of my own design. It is small and will only do two cups at a time so is just the right size. It is a vacuum with a clever basket, photos when done. The tiny basket is supported in a bucket but the vac hose is connected directly to the basket so nothing lost. The trick will be sealing it. The above experience is with Yemen beans, I forget the exact area of origin. I bought so much when it was available that I still have a little left. That is about gone so I have to pick replacements. Edited by Ozo on 08/10/2018 6:56 PM Tim
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/11/2018 3:10 PM
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Quote ChicagoJohn wrote: Quote I just turn the burner on high and rotate the stirrer rapidly and thats it I have never turned down the heat to change the profile. The results "in the cup" are fantastic so I have never experimented, never even had a temp probe in there either. I keep the size down, 2 cups of green beans. That's great -- again simplicity, and I have the same criterion you do: What I like, period. Sounds like you're batch size is about 340 gm, same as I'm using but with an air roaster I built Two cups of roasted beans weighs 240 grams at least the ones I now have are, See my new thread regarding the cooler I made. And I totally agree with your simplicity concept. That is called the KISS principal. Keep It Simple Silly or something like that. The cooler follows that principal. Tim
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| Koffee Kosmo |
Posted on 08/11/2018 5:33 PM
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The roast amount of 240gr green is to small for me That will only keep me in coffee for a couple of days If you are good at DIY it?s time to upgrade to a design of your choosing from our DIY section Just a little encouragement from me KK I home roast and I like it. Designer of the KKTO
Roaster Build information https://homeroast...ad_id=1142 https://docs.goog...lide=id.i0 Blog - http://koffeekosm...gspot.com/ Bezzera Strega, Mazzer Robur Grinder, Pullman Tamper Convex, (KKTO) Turbo Oven Home Roaster. |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/12/2018 7:25 AM
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Quote Koffee Kosmo wrote: The roast amount of 240gr green is to small for me That will only keep me in coffee for a couple of days If you are good at DIY it?s time to upgrade to a design of your choosing from our DIY section Just a little encouragement from me KK Thank you but, as I said earlier in this thread, I roast twice for a total of 480 grams of green beans which lasts me plenty long. I only drink 2 double shots of espresso daily. I am over 70 and if I drink more than that I can not stop talking, it is not pretty.  I do roast a single 240 gram batch of decaf and that lasts twice as long as I only drink one double shot daily if that. That is three roasts but I do not get the least bit bored while that is happening so I have no inclination to "upgrade". Edited by Ozo on 08/12/2018 1:15 PM Tim
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| ChicagoJohn |
Posted on 08/12/2018 1:14 PM
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Quote I only drink 2 double shots of espresso daily. I am over 70 and if I drink more than that I can not stop talking, it is not pretty.:  This is why my wife is limited to one double shot a day. Why take chances? So many beans; so little time.... |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/12/2018 1:19 PM
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Quote ChicagoJohn wrote: Quote I only drink 2 double shots of espresso daily. I am over 70 and if I drink more than that I can not stop talking, it is not pretty.: This is why my wife is limited to one double shot a day. Why take chances? See my edited post above. It is what I look like after several double shots. Tim
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/13/2018 8:07 AM
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Quote Koffee Kosmo wrote: The roast amount of 240gr green is to small for me That will only keep me in coffee for a couple of days If you are good at DIY it?s time to upgrade to a design of your choosing from our DIY section Just a little encouragement from me KK I keep thinking about my reply to your post and would add that although I am ok with DIY if not too complex, I have been drooling over the Hot Top drum roaster which would suit me I think especially as I get older. I do appreciate your encouragement and have been reading about DIY drum roasters as well as Fluid Bed types but they seem too complex for me. The Hot Top is a bit pricey for me but later I may find the cash. Funny how that works when you dwell on something. I will be looking for a used one. I see a good one on Ebay right now but the auction end date is at a time which finds me without funds. Edited by Ozo on 08/13/2018 8:18 AM Tim
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| JackH |
Posted on 08/13/2018 10:22 AM
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If it works and meets your coffee needs, then all is well. Unless you like tinkering with gadgets.
---Jack
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| Koffee Kosmo |
Posted on 08/13/2018 6:29 PM
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Quote Ozo wrote: Quote Koffee Kosmo wrote: The roast amount of 240gr green is to small for me That will only keep me in coffee for a couple of days If you are good at DIY it?s time to upgrade to a design of your choosing from our DIY section Just a little encouragement from me KK I keep thinking about my reply to your post and would add that although I am ok with DIY if not too complex, I have been drooling over the Hot Top drum roaster which would suit me I think especially as I get older. I do appreciate your encouragement and have been reading about DIY drum roasters as well as Fluid Bed types but they seem too complex for me. The Hot Top is a bit pricey for me but later I may find the cash. Funny how that works when you dwell on something. I will be looking for a used one. I see a good one on Ebay right now but the auction end date is at a time which finds me without funds. Don?t overlook the Behmore roaster It?s very affordable and by all reports a great performing roaster http://behmor.com...1600-plus/ KK I home roast and I like it. Designer of the KKTO
Roaster Build information https://homeroast...ad_id=1142 https://docs.goog...lide=id.i0 Blog - http://koffeekosm...gspot.com/ Bezzera Strega, Mazzer Robur Grinder, Pullman Tamper Convex, (KKTO) Turbo Oven Home Roaster. |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/13/2018 6:43 PM
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Quote Don?t overlook the Behmore roaster It?s very affordable and by all reports a great performing roaster http://behmor.com...1600-plus/ KK I have been viewing the Hot Top videos and it looks far more complex than I would like not to mention the price.. Thanks for mentioning the Behmor as it is closer to what I can spend and is less complex I assume. I will definitely be looking at it closely. EDIT: I just watched this short video with Joe Behm making the Behmor 1600+ look quite easy to operate. He talks pretty fast but I will watch it a lot if I get the machine. He goes through the whole process in 2 minutes using fast forward to skip to first crack etc. https://www.youtu...899VD-5eUA Edited by Ozo on 08/13/2018 7:05 PM Tim
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/13/2018 7:12 PM
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Here is a bargain with a dent and a display issue but works, just $190. I see they are $395 after tax/shipping (Prime) at Amazon. https://www.ebay....ehmor.TRS0 Edited by Ozo on 08/13/2018 7:18 PM Tim
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/15/2018 2:27 PM
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Just finished first roast with the Victorio. Used a heat probe for the first time roasting and learned that I was roasting much too hot. Turned heat down at first crack but still too high , there was 15 second interval between cracks but turned heat off immediately at start of second crack and dumped them into the bucket cooler immediately not using the colanders as I used to. The bucket cooler had them at ambient in about three minutes but things were happening so fast that I am not sure exactly how long it took. Here are some times and temperatures from notes I took. I was pleased with how much easier this roast was with the drill setup and the bucket cooler (No pre-cooling with collanders) Using a corded drill had an unexpected bonus. To stop the drill I simple unplugged it, no fussing with the trigger. It was nice to roast with the lid open. It is held open with a magnet. That also made it easy to place the probe directly in the beans. 2.5 minutes got some smoke 5.5 minutes turned down heat, temp @ 500 degrees F. 6.5 minutes 1st crack starts 8 minutes end of 1st crack 8.25 minutes 2d crack starts turned heat off Dumped beans to bucket cooler late in 2d crack still at nearly 500 degrees F. 12 minutes was surprised to find beans were already at ambient Ready to go  Roaster is running very smoothly  Flame is on full  Beans near ambient which was 99. Roasted a little more than usual which filled the colander of the cooler  a little chaff in the cooler basket.  chaff in the roaster  Full City+ 255 grams 
Edited by Ozo on 08/15/2018 2:33 PM Tim
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| Koffee Kosmo |
Posted on 08/15/2018 10:05 PM
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Those roast times are a little to fast for my liking Can you stretch them out another 3 minutes KK I home roast and I like it. Designer of the KKTO
Roaster Build information https://homeroast...ad_id=1142 https://docs.goog...lide=id.i0 Blog - http://koffeekosm...gspot.com/ Bezzera Strega, Mazzer Robur Grinder, Pullman Tamper Convex, (KKTO) Turbo Oven Home Roaster. |
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| ChicagoJohn |
Posted on 08/16/2018 6:52 AM
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Quote Koffee Kosmo wrote: Those roast times are a little to fast for my liking Can you stretch them out another 3 minutes KK Good that you have a thermocouple now and that your new vessel is working well. My roast times for my wife's espresso are also longer as KK is suggesting to you. I'm using an air roaster, but in terms of time-temperature, I hit start of 1C at about 380-390?F at 9 minutes and proceed up at decreasing rate if ruse to the start of 2nd cracks at 430?F at 13 minutes when I turn on cooling. My final product does not develop any surface oil droplets over time in storage. Of course the only important criterion is what you like in the cup. So many beans; so little time.... |
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/16/2018 4:41 PM
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Quote Koffee Kosmo wrote: Those roast times are a little to fast for my liking Can you stretch them out another 3 minutes KK I intend to reduce the heat sooner to get the temp down which should help plus monitor the heat all the way. As I said this is the first time that I have used the probe and now that I can see the temps it adds a control to the process that I did not have. I fully intend on using the probe from now on at least until I get a reasonable profile. 3 minutes longer should not be too tough to achieve. Thanks for the input Tim
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| Ozo |
Posted on 08/16/2018 4:51 PM
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Most of the roasting gear fits in the storage tub. When I construct the dedicated drill holder it will remain on the porch as it will be a laminated wood block of teak plywood salvaged after the last hurricane and will not be pretty enough for thieves to want it. I decided to leave the colander screen loose as it is will be easier to clean and worked fine when loose.  EDIT: A big change is a new heater. (Not shown) It is a butane heater which eliminates the hose and propane tank. It is much simpler with the tank inside. Has an igniter. Also has a wind ring so lower flames will not be blown out. I am almost ready to build the wooden drill stand and will post the final photo when I do. Edited by Ozo on 09/14/2018 11:46 AM Tim
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| ChicagoJohn |
Posted on 09/06/2018 4:42 PM
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Compact and portable for your living arrangements. Well thought out.
So many beans; so little time.... |
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